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Receiver Range Test Comparison – Radiomaster ELRS versus Futaba with Antenna Frame (from SailsEtc)

We have had lots of Club chatter over the months/years about radio range, losing signal to the boat and so on… the merits of different transmitter brands etc. Remember, you can lose radio contact with the boat for SO many reasons.

You’ll all know that Flyers in free sky find they get simply massive radio range and quote exciting numbers stated in whole kilometres – 10 km not being unusual.

What range do we need in radio sailing? 100m maximum I should think. Nonetheless, “who gives the strongest signal and furthest range” continues to intrigue us.

We have had Club members trialling ceramic antenna based receivers (no dangly wires) from Spektrum and Radiomaster ELRS. These dinky little receivers are great in a sailboat “pot” with zero wires from a space management viewpoint. They were though designed/optimised for indoor car racing – all very different. The Futaba equivalent wire-free receiver actually states a maximum 70m range, so I’ve not bothered to test it.

A unique combination of circumstances came up this morning. Two identical, carbon fibre hulled F6 Marbleheads, one with Radiomaster TX15 and ELRS (ER3Creceiver). The other rigged with Futaba T10J and their cable antenna F3006SB receiver…. fitted in a SailsEtc antenna frame that tucks it neatly at the pot top,… wires at 90 degrees as recommended by Futaba. …Plus no rain!! …Plus a spouse who was willing to help by watching boats out of the kitchen window (very rare treat!). All batteries were fully and equally charged. Transmitter power/strength settings, transmission packet rate, were as they were to-of-the-box and new.

We sail on dead flat reservoir water, so with a solid surface beneath us, not free sky. Clear line of sight to the boats, no obstructions. Today’s tests, Positions 0-5, were similar really – carried out on a dead flat street, 200metres long, with line of sight to the boats. Then the next two measurement points I had to turn 90 degrees at the the road junction and walk along that street (measurement points 6 and 7). Measurement points 6 and 7 therefore lost line of sight, and gained a couple of houses in the way of the signal…. they were quickly more challenging to the radio, but I wanted to see which brand gave up first, and was it actually a “close thing”?? Measurements stated for position 6 and 7 were direct back to position 0, as the bird flies.

Measurements were taken via What3Words and a website named grid reference finder.

Conclusions

  1. Nearly exactly the same range for Radiomaster ELRS and Futaba, around 200m. Easily enough for radio sailors and probably double what we might usually need.
  2. Radiomaster lasted maybe 10% further (20m) than the Futaba.
  3. Both lost signal by 240m. (Needs to be tested in a straight line at the reservoir.)
  4. Despite being an indoor wire-free receiver, the RM ERC3i unit performed very well against the Futaba.
  5. If I had patience I would test the Futaba again without the antenna frame. It would be interesting to see if dangling free wires into the pot (carbon fibre hull remember) makes any real impact on range.
  6. Telemetry range was disappointing in both cases. Radiomaster gave up at around 50-60metres. Futaba lost telemetry signals at around 30metres. I believe the flying community call it “Fly By Telemetry”.
  7. Good job we radio sailors are not interested in ranges of 10km away. No chance….

It’s Never What You Think It Is…. Antenna Orientation !!

We had a terrific time at the Ten Rater Rankings – pretty breezy!! My goodness, those boats look amazing under power, especially downwind. Might have never before seen RW running along the shore quite so fast to keep up!!

A few minutes after I took this photo of RC holding his transmitter aloft to get control of his boat back… the rudder dropped off and his boat drifted ashore!!

We were not racing far offshore at all, so it did get me wondering about transmitter-receiver connection strength again. Most of the fleet were on Futabas that day. Nobody was really having radio issues at all, including RC as it turns out. We had one or two Radiomaster and Spektrum fans – no problems at all there either. Phone signal was a bit depleted way down in the reservoir bowl though. Our water is maybe down 60 feet beneath normal depth.

We have written some articles previously along the lines of “we all blame the transmitter… but it could be the receiver, the receiver position, the receiver antennae, the carbon versus glass fibre…” etc….. A complex situation.

Then, today, on a radio pilots internet forum, I discovered someone who had a theory that his signal strength to his receiver was weakest if he pointed his antenna directly at his plane – I guess 45-90 degrees above him. Remember, our boats will be roughly horizontal from us so the 45-90 degrees above” comment needs translation into the sailing context.

I tried reading a pile of Futaba manuals, and for the T16 model (with a waggly adjustable antenna) I found this….

They very clearly say for flying, that the optimum is that the antenna is “horizontal” and basically at right angles to the line between the transmitter and the plane.

So with my Spektrum, whose antenna swivels about 60 degrees but pointing straight ahead (at the boat most of the time) … it probably needs to have the antenna pulled upwards to the maximum?

Then for the majority in our fleet who use Futaba T6 transmitters, the manufacturer has decided the answer for us – and the antenna in our T6 models is horizontal, built into the handle. Same for my Radiomaster really, whose antenna is horizontal but on a little hinge.

So if you have a Futaba/Radiomaster and think your boat is out of range, directly face the boat and do not stand at 90 degrees to the boat ?? Is that correct??

(Suddenly remembering a story from our Commodore who says that with a Futaba – mind you, possibly several years ago – he regained signal contact by tilting the transmitter on its side and holding it above his head… so not at all what Futaba says in the T16 manual !! ….Or is it??!! Draw an imaginary line between skipper and boat and then hold the antenna at right angles to it….?)

Did I get that correct?? Someone will hopefully write in and tell me. If you know the answer, please use the comment facility on this website entry !!

FR Sky Transmitters…!!

I managed to get my hands on one of these a couple of days ago. From the airplane and gliding world, the FrSky Tandem X20….. Bit of a wow. It was interesting to see what they use over in flying.

They cost about double (450GBPs) what radio sailors would think of as “pricey”, but can you tell the difference?

Amazingly – a resounding “yes”…. the feel was a huge step up from what we are used to. The body was a lot more solid (alloy maybe) and interestingly weighed about 900g so a bit heavier than common radio sailing transmitters. It felt very good in my size/shape hands. The “Apple” of transmitters maybe.

Gimballs (“Hall gimbals”) very smooth and more central on the console which somehow gave a nice balance (nearer centre of gravity perhaps) while you used it. Thinking about it more, if you move the screen to the top of the unit (most of our transmitters have the screen at the bottom), you can then move the gimbals down lower on the console itself.

Another thing I noticed was that the gimbals can be rotated slightly for those in search of more comfort over longer periods. Somehow, the whole thing looked more showerproof too. Really tightly fitted together.

When we decided to write the radio sailing manual for Radiomaster transmitters, I came across FrSky because the previous range FrSky along with Radiomaster use the same OpenTX software. FrSky seem to have abandoned that OpenTX strategy now as it was holding them back. They have done their own modern looking operating software called EthOS. That’s amazing too – it’s like having a full iPhone aboard, …all icons, colour and sexiness. Lots of preloaded configurations for power mixing and the like.

I might have misunderstood, but the owner said you could send updates (like custom model configurations) to it “over the air”…. so he can swap configurations with friends very easily.

The owner of the unit that I tried was a Competition Gliding fan. I asked what he used previously, and interestingly he had a Spektrum DX6E – which of course is very common in sailing.

Way over-configured for the needs of radiosailing, but it was interesting to see what £450 would buy you.