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How Much Radio Range Do We Need Anyway??

How far away can we see race marks, start line situations and sail numbers? Not far.

I’ve just had a bit of a shock though. You may remember that I have a horizontal, dead straight, line-of-sight, transmitter range test based in the street where I live.

I recently put Radiomaster and Futaba through the exact same test and basically got a radio range of around 200 metres for both of them. Blimey.

Radiomaster just a tad more maybe, but I ran out of straight street and had to go round the corner. That is way more than we need in radio sailing.. I can hardly walk THAT far.

You can read my recent range comparison for Radiomaster and Futaba here:-

Tests conducted by RC Flyers in the USA suggested that Spektrum only reached maybe a quarter to half the distance of Radiomaster/ELRS. I was curious to test my DX8e against it. I am just starting to prepare the Datchet Radio Sailors’ online manual for Spektrum. I thought I’d put my own lovely Spektrum DX8/AR620 through the same range test, using the same boat…. before I start the programming and manual writing.

(©Datchet Radio Sailing)

I’m a bit stunned. At first, I thought it must be low battery power, and so changed all the batteries for fresh ones. Same result. So my next thought,… after swearing,… was “faulty transmitter”…. (you might say!!) …. but I’ve had this particular DX8 range tested and a fix applied at the Spektrum UK distributor, and it passed their tests just fine after that.

You might be thinking that it was caused by the smart but tiny, and wire free, ceramic antenna of the AR620 receiver. Maybe. Lovely kit though.

But the Radiomaster in this test also used a ceramic antenna in its ERC3i – even more weeny and more tiny that is. It’s so small, you’d be inclined to try and wipe it off the hull in case it’s a speck of mud.

The AR620 is about twice the physical size of the ER3Ci. When I get the time, I’ll re-test the Futabas without the SailsEtc antenna frame … just dangling wires in the pot … to be disproved, but I personally suspect the antenna frame (called “aerial holder” at SailsEtc’s website) is a big factor in this test.

I’m reluctant to trot down to TJD Models and buy a wire-antenna Spektrum receiver, as I’ve seen an official Spektrum video claiming that the ceramic antenna has better range.

But – well, how much do we need in radio sailing? I’d personally have difficulty racing 75 metres away – it’s surprising how far that is. I know a number of radio sailors who simply adore their Spektrums… but for myself, I’m still surprised by this test result. The guys at Datchet want me to test a FlySky over the same street. I’ll do that as soon as it’s practical – I no longer have a FlySky here, but I know where to get a loaner.

The article showing the results of the USA flyers can be found here:-

Futaba 6 Channel and 8 Channel Receivers….. again !!

I’ve just been ordering a new Futaba transmitter.

Following our recent article about Receivers in confined “pots” (right angle plugs and in-line plugging issue), I phoned the terrific Inwood Models up in Huntingdon to talk it through. 

I called Inwood Models as they were only people I found advertising a Futaba “transmitter-only” price. Lo and behold, the very nice people at Inwood explained they had just sold their last transmitter-only item from stock … but new stock from Futaba is due next week…..With 8 channel receivers included with the product.

The key thing, as we suggested in our recent article, that Futaba’s distributor is now only packaging the transmitter with a R3008SB 8 channel receiver ….with it’s plugs in-line, not at right angles. Could be an issue for some of us.

The terrific staff at Inwood had clearly already encountered the problem of in-line versus right angle plugging before …. so it’s not just us radio sailors down south! Anyway, they were extremely kind and offered to swap the receiver over when the box from Futaba arrives. Problem solved – thank you Inwood Models.

Watch out for this, if you need to order up!!

https://inwoodmodels.com/product/futaba-10j-transmitter-only/

Receivers and Confined Spaces…. Part 2 !!

A few days ago we wrote about the impact of RC Flying on receivers and how we might think about them in Radio Saling’s confined spaces. First a look at some of our choices:-

This is the dinky little Radiomaster 3 channel ELRS receiver, much favoured by our Commodore, Phil. Seriously compact little thing… you might be inclined to mount it eg on velcro on the back of the unit as photographed. So the important thing in this discussion is that the connecting leads (as you can see in the photo) will stick out at right angles to this surface.

Next one is the Spectrum AR620 much favoured by Craig and Rohan. Six channels and in reality hardly any larger than the ELRS above. But note : you probably will have you velcro pad at the bottom face in the photo above, and consequently your sockets will stick out parallel to the mounting surface and not at right angles. Great for flying wing planes to permit mounting inside the wing (see first article). Really the unit is so diminutive, in radio sailing it’s no issue where you put it.

Before I illustrate photos of the two current Futaba receivers that are most relevant, I may ask if you know the depth of your receiver “pot”? As I recall, the new Proteus design is “pot-less” which is interesting. In the two boats I have here, the SailboatRC pot is 105mm deep and the SailsEtc pot in my Marblehead is 80mm deep. Keep that in mind for a minute.

Two of the current common Futaba receivers are these :-

This is the six channel R3006SB receiver – note the sockets are at right angles to the mounting surface.

This is the 8 channel R3008SB receiver – note that the sockets are in-line with the mounting surface. So by the time you wiggle your two or three plugs in here, you end up with quite a long unit.

This is the R3008SB mounted in the 105mm deep SailboatRC Pot. Plenty of space and the factory have chosen the put the electrical connector end lowest in the boat. Interesting. It would be possible to install the same receiver inside the 80mm deep pot – just about… but unless you invert it, the plugs are going to be quite close to a bilge water threat. I have been wondering of plugging in vertically like under a little umbrella is actually good for repelling water…. I’ve no idea !!

So if you are using a normal SailsEtc pot, you might prefer to consider the six channel R3006SB (with plugs at right angles) and secure that in the pot as high up as you can… quite probably with plugs at the top so they are as far away from a bilge water threat as possible. Here is that receiver installed in Nigel’s F6 – can you see what I mean??

I have been considering acquiring another Futaba Transmitter soon – prices are keen at the moment. However, my model shop in common with many now sells you a “Combi” pack which obliges you to take the transmitter with an 8 channel R3008SB receiver. It comes directly from distributor stock, not theirs. I really want to buy from my local man, but it looks like I might have to get a transmitter-only price from somewhere and buy a six channel R3006SB receiver separately alongside. So far (at the time of writing – March 2025) I have managed to find “Inwood Models” who sell from their own stock (keen price) and do list the receiver components separately. Might be the answer….

You can find the first part of this article by clicking here